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Catharsis or Civilization: A Statement from Our Founder on the Life of Charlie Kirk

  • September 11, 2025
  • James Lindsay
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I’ve been trying to share a particular message for a couple of years now, and I can never quite find the words. I doubt I will tonight, but I have to try again because I watched my great friend get murdered over it today.

We have a choice: catharsis or civilization.

There’s no other choice for us. We can have a civilization, where people are civilized enough to live, work, and trade with one another in a productive way, a safe way, a trustworthy enough way, or we can abandon it for the pursuit of letting the negative emotions of the past years, decade, or decades consume us.

There’s no other choice.

If we choose catharsis, we let our emotions, our Pathos, get the better of us. We turn to our anger and look to give it more justifications. We turn to our frustration and seek an orgiastic release through whatever deeds vents it. We turn to our oppression, our rage, our despair, our fear, and we let it flow through us until the Pathos pours out and covers the land in what will eventually be fire and blood.

Catharsis is tempting, and stepping into it will be libidinous, orgiastic, elevating, and divine, until we realize that it’s the feast of demons upon everything we could have built and everything we could have passed on to our children and our posterity.

Civilization is harder. It’s bitter, in fact, in comparison to catharsis. It means swallowing hard and taking all those negative emotions and sublimating them into something productive, something that builds rather than makes us feel better. Civilization feels like injustice, in fact, even though it is the only basis for justice outside of Heaven and Hell, if they exist.

If we choose civilization, we’re allowed to be mad, but we must temper our anger into right action that builds something to leave a better world, which will dissolve it, of course. We’re also allowed to be frustrated, but we must sublimate our frustration into the dedicated search for real and lasting solutions to our problems in a civilization worth living in and passing to our children. We are not allowed to despair, though, and we cannot persist in fear. We must have faith that swallowing and metabolizing all of our negativity to turn it into a flourishing society is possible and worth it, and faith will drive out fear and is the mortal enemy of despair.

Civilization is not available on the wide path. It is the narrow path, at least so far as worldly life goes. Veer too far to one side or the other, or even for too long a moment forget your purpose or principles, and you lose the path, lose civilization, and lose everything worth having.

Without civilization, though, we will find ourselves in a terror beyond our comprehension. Maybe it will be like the philosopher Thomas Hobbes described it in the wake of the terrible English Civil War, when civilization was nearly thrown aside. Violent, solitary or tribal, nasty, brutish, short, a wicked and selfish war of all against all. It looks like the favelas of Brazil.

Maybe we’ll end up conquered, fighting among ourselves while our enemies feast on our folly. Maybe we’ll end up holding it together, for a little while anyway, under a tyrant who can, for a time, make it all stop and demand order. Maybe we all just end up learning Mandarin and get along mastering the ins and outs of social credit existence.

Civilization is worth fighting for, and catharsis is the kind of momentary pleasure followed by pain that every virtue stands in opposition to. In a civilization we, and each of our children after us, can live as individuals, free to pursue our dreams in sufficient safety and opportunity to generate abundance. Catharsis will be a groupish disaster with all the allure and hangover of a drunken mosh pit.

Again, I’m not expressing myself the way I see this issue in my mind. It’s such an important message that I just can’t get right, no matter how I try.

What I will say is that, for any differences in the particulars my great friend Charlie Kirk and I have had, Charlie Kirk stood for, lived for, and acted to his dying breath for civilization. He was far too temperate and wise, even at 31, for catharsis.

How can I be sure?

Under strange circumstances once, I found myself out on a skiing boat on a lake with Charlie Kirk. Music was playing, we were having a good time enjoying the morning. Charlie, with his standard grin, bare chest in the sun, laughed a little and explained himself, “I had fun once, guys, and I hated it.”

Then he made our host change the music from something fun and hip to… classical. And we ran up and down the lake alongside all the other party boats listening to Bach, Vivaldi, and Stravinsky, not having fun even once and loving it. Charlie Kirk lived for civilization, and nothing remotely like catharsis would have been near his mind, heart, or soul, even in its darkest, most frustrated moments.

Charlie wanted to win, but he wanted to win so that we can move away from evil and move away from cathartic, orgiastic destruction and toward civilizational order, where his family and children could grow up as strong, proud Americans.

More than that, Charlie lived for Jesus, the Logos, as He is named in John 1. He knew the difference between the Logos and the Pathos, human though he was. He understood civilization is built on the rock of Logos, and that it can never be built on the churning sands of Pathos.

That’s how I know that Charlie understood the choice I still cannot articulate. We have two options, and only two. They are catharsis and civilization. Charlie Kirk lived that we would have civilization.

May Charlie Kirk not have died such that we spiral into catharsis and evil.

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James Lindsay

An American-born author, mathematician, and professional troublemaker, Dr. James Lindsay has written six books spanning a range of subjects including religion, the philosophy of science and postmodern theory. He is a leading expert on Critical Race Theory, which leads him to reject it completely. He is the founder of New Discourses and currently promoting his new book "Cynical Theories: How Activist Scholarship Made Everything about Race, Gender, and Identity―and Why This Harms Everybody," which is currently being translated into more than fifteen languages.

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7 comments
  1. Alicia says:
    September 18, 2025 at 12:50 pm

    (Being religious) I think our job in life is to cultivate good, and our job doesn’t change. Our job isn’t to cultivate good in the world contingent on nothing unjust or inhumane being done to us. Our job isn’t contingent on anything. I think that might be the biggest idea I take from the story of Jesus. Our hope isn’t something that can be taken from us because the Kingdom of God doesn’t come with observation – it’s inside of us, and our job doesn’t change in reaction to what happens to us. There is definitely some value in pinpointing and outlining and talking about who our enemies are and how they operate and what they’ve done to us, some real value, but anger makes you want to get to the end of that conversation and go right back to the begging and just stew unproductively forever. Once you’ve established someone is your enemy, great, now what? What’s your duty towards that person now? Your job is to cultivate good for yourself, for that person, just in general, the same as it was before they made themselves your enemy.

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  2. Rob Waters says:
    September 16, 2025 at 11:26 pm

    It is so hard to lose a friend. James, you and all of us who understood his life and purpose have lost a fighter. Paul, in his letters never fails to encourage new Christians in the fight. Also, having lost a church family member in the Nashville Covenant School shooting, I have been mega-pissed at the transgender-ism that influenced Audry Hale to kill 6 Christians, and again killed Charlie. Gloves off; transgenderism is demonic to the core. James, keep up the good fight. You are very appreciated.

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  3. Philip Leo Frank says:
    September 12, 2025 at 8:03 am

    Thank you James.

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  4. Nathan Shattuck says:
    September 12, 2025 at 1:02 am

    I’m fine with James Lindsay advocating for civilization over catharsis, but at the end the article Lindsay is using the same biblical word Charlie Kirk used (‘Logos’) but he twists it by using it to say something very different, and ultimately incongruent, with what Charlie Kirk actually meant and believed.

    Lindsay starts out speaking of the divine/human person of Jesus, also referred to in John 1 as the Logos, who as the Person of God was there at the creation of the universe. But then he (similarly to what Jordan Peterson does) depersonalizes Logos/Jesus by smoothly switching to referring to Logos as nothing more than the opposite of, and better option than, Pathos (or catharsis). The word/reason is arguably a better foundation to build on than passion/emotion, but taking one of the biblical names of Jesus that Charlie Kirk built his ideas on and literally bet his life on, but stripping it of the personal, transcendent and divine Personhood of Jesus, so that it’s now merely a concept or idea, is the manipulative trick of the materialist who wants Christians to think they are friends and comrades while they eviscerate and debase the very essence of Christianity.

    So, no, I don’t think this flowery article by Lindsay is at all a respectful or faithful tribute to what Christian Charlie Kirk actually stood for and valued. It seems to me more of a manipulative use of Charlie Kirk and his death to once again turn the spotlight on what Atheist James Lindsay stands for and values – a ‘civilization’ of secular, materialist liberalism. And I think that is a really gross thing to do the day after Charlie died.”

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  5. Andrew Staud says:
    September 11, 2025 at 7:19 pm

    Thank you sir, for your words. However, I want to extend my deepest condolences for loosing someone like Mr. Kirk. Not only a friend, but someone you find similarty with. Which must make this loss that much harder. If Mr. Kirk drank, I would raise a glass of bourbon for you both. Yet, I know abstained without judgement of others. So I will do my best to seek the truth, and uphold public discourse. Once again, my sincerest prayers to you and your family. I hope God provides you and yours peace in these particularly crazy times.

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  6. Ben F. says:
    September 11, 2025 at 11:35 am

    Thanks James, for taking the time with your platform to speak up about it. I’d watch some of his debates from time to time. He was engaging in the public square of colleges in a way that many people would not have the courage to, in the midst of so many people who wanted to shut debates down. I read that there something like 1,000 signatures on a petition at Utah University to keep him from speaking. Now granted, I guess it’s a huge school.. but 1000 signatures is 1,000 to many. That speaks volumes, because it means there’s a level of political intolerance that exists in a place that’s suppose to foster discourse. I think these colleges and the media has a lot of soul searching in front of them, if they are willing to take it on. Since this last election there’s been a lot of pent up resentment over how democracy played out, I mean it’s unreal how the media has egged it on. I hope you, and others can hold these colleges and the media accountable in how they shape the landscape of discourse..

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  7. Ariana says:
    September 11, 2025 at 10:58 am

    Your words have really brought comfort and clarity. Thank you for sharing this.
    Lord, have mercy. Especially on Charlie’s family and friends.

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