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Woke Right: MAGA’s “New Atheists”?

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The New Discourses Podcast with James Lindsay, Ep. 165

The “New Atheism” movement, which lasted more or less from 2005 until 2015, was a cringey and curious thing, and it has become an object of much mythology, particularly on the highly online, largely Christian Right. Unfortunately, they don’t know much about it, leading them to turn it into propaganda for a cause that mirrors it more than many might find comfortable. In this casual episode of the New Discourses Podcast, host James Lindsay goes through quite a lot of the history of the New Atheism movement as it really was and compares it against Critical Religion Theory, Marxism, and, ironically, the Woke Right. Join him for a surprising and refreshing discussion.


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3 comments
  1. Gideon Moss says:
    May 21, 2025 at 7:53 am

    Interesting about the origin of the swastika. I was aware of it being an ancient symbol as I’ve lived in Vietnam and seen it in Buddhist temples but I never knew where it came from astronomically.

    A few years ago I started painting as a way of resolving a somewhat psychotic episode I was experiencing. The first painting I did was called “The Locus of the Logos” and in this painting in the top right hand corner I painted a yellow spiral which represented the sun. Starting from the centre, the spiral (actually a length of copper wire stuck onto the surface and painted over) went anticlockwise representing the rotation of the sun. The rays of light are the tangents of the outer spiral turns and when I painted the four tangents I became aware that I was drawing a swastika and wanted to make sure that I had drawn it the original way because I knew it could be drawn the other way round.

    Apparently when the Nazis co-opted it for their purposes they draw it the other way so it became a kind of (in my psychotic mind at the time) earthly rather than heavenly, profane rather than divine symbol of man trying to build gods kingdom on earth. It all kind of made sense to me but I didn’t realise that I had in fact derived the swastika in the same way as the ancients ie rotation of the centre of the sun god/universe.

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  2. Edward H R Green says:
    May 20, 2025 at 8:34 pm

    @Sandra, The goal of Christian Nationalism is Theocracy.

    “… I help the poor.”

    Dispense with the virtue signaling; and acknowledge the fact that one can still be a good person if one doesn’t help the poor.

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  3. Sandra Long Toups says:
    May 19, 2025 at 2:52 pm

    Hi James, glad to see you are finally connecting the dots. Christian Nationalism is not true Christianity. Christian Nationalism goes against the basic teachings of Jesus Christ. Christian Nationalism is all about power and control through fake religious authoritarian fascist government control, and corporate financial means. I’m a Christian woman and while I respectfully disagree with others politically or their lifestyle, I don’t hate my neighbors and I help the poor. That’s true Christianity and not to be confused with total socialism as so many in the far-right like to misconstrue. Extremists on any political or religious side is hazardously misleading the masses into dysfunctional chaos. Truth, democracy, and basic human rights which is the fundamental fabric of a functioning society is being suffocated by far-right extremists while masquerading as conservative Christians and falsely advocating small government theories for ultimate control. Mismanagement, corruption, extremism, power, and greed all contribute to the downfall of a working government for the people. Enjoy your content. Thank you, James and God bless you. ✝️❤️

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